The Winter

Nish: 0:00

Every story has an ending. Does our quest to play the top 100 courses in 10 years have a good ending? I’m Nish.

Chris: 0:08

I’m Chris. I’m Jim.

Nish: 0:10

And we’re here to guide you through this golfing journey. This is the Top 100 in 10 Golf Podcast

Nish: 0:16

, episode 12. The

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Winter

Nish: 0:20

“what good is warmth of summer without the cold of winter to give it sweetness? That’s a quote by john steinbeck. I’ve never heard of him but I thought, oh, no way do you know who’s john steinbeck is? Of course I do grapes of wrath.

Chris: 0:33

Literally just finished reading one of his books of mice and men.

Nish: 0:37

Oh yeah all right, no, no, no idea who it is, but there you go. Should recognize that, then, shouldn’t you suppose?

Jim: 0:41

but uh, I’m too busy busy laughing at you. The fact that you’re on episode 12 and you still love to read from the script for that intro.

Chris: 0:50

Oh yeah, fair enough. Have you not got a tattoo yet, nish?

Nish: 0:57

emma cracking idea, uh. So today we’re actually going to discuss how we’re going to get through the winter, because that’s the period that we’ve hit now. Um, I was fortunate enough to be invited on as a guest on the basic bogeys podcast, um, which I had a great time on, by the way, uh, and we got chatting about winter golf and it really like our winter golf is. It’s sort of all right, isn’t it? It’s just that it’s wet and, yeah, a bit, you know it, it’s.

Chris: 1:24

I mean it’s a very subtle change from our summer golf right.

Jim: 1:29

Well, I think Slightly cold, you mean.

Chris: 1:32

There’s a few less leaves on the trees, and that’s about it, I think.

Nish: 1:35

Yeah, actually that’s what I said to the guys. I was like we’re really only dealing in a 10 degree temperature swing, so it doesn’t really make much of a difference.

Jim: 1:41

And less leaves in the trees obviously creates more opportunities to actually get through the bloody trees.

Nish: 1:46

That’s true From our experience anyway, yeah, never actually looked at it that way, I was worried about the leaves on the course.

Nish: 1:54

But they basically from now, which is the right to start December. They’re stopped now until April, which is madness. So if you’re a member of a club, that’s nearly half the years is gone, you can’t ever play and they just cannot get out. Course is closed. So it was interesting chatting to them about that and I mean they’re sort of like north of America, so it’s like they get the full on blizzards and everything like that. But yeah, I think I walked away from that chat and I had a bit of a renewed appreciation from the fact that we can actually play pretty much year round if we want to. So so why?

Jim: 2:29

haven’t we got any more booked for now?

Nish: 2:33

well, we talked about this, though, didn’t we?

Chris: 2:34

because we don’t really want to I think it’s just a mat, isn’t it for? Me like playing off a mat is just it’s not. I don’t enjoy that at all, so I just think, if you’re, playing a nice course. You want to go and enjoy it and feel the turf play.

Nish: 2:47

125 quid for the privilege of playing off a, a mat. Yeah, seems to be out of the driving range, so anyway. So I thought we’d discuss what um, um, what we’re gonna do for winter, just to sort of keep in shape. So a couple of weeks ago we had um. Myself and chris had a bit of a chat about the challenge and how we’re going to tackle the year ahead. So we’ve got uh, eight courses booked in for next year already, with the potential of maybe another three or four again. Definitely two more, I think, are going to add on to that. So that will definitely hit 10 um, but it could be another couple added on to that um. But I’m trying to remember our chat now. How did it? Or like I think there was there was a lot of uh scratching foreheads, I think. At the time we were like, yeah, I mean I think.

Chris: 3:36

so what? So we decided we were going to do wales wales yeah. So that was one that was relatively easy and a couple of links courses that we weren’t too bothered about playing on the shoulder kind of period. Yeah, so we’re playing them in March, aren’t we? It’s March, yeah, so we thought we’ll do those. It’s a relatively cheap green fee. So we’re doing Abadovi and Royal St David’s. Royal St David’s yeah, so they’re all in Pembrokeshire. No, it’s kind of a bit further north and that’s kind of Cardigan.

Nish: 4:05

Bay. Yeah, you know where Harlech Castle is.

Jim: 4:08

Okay, right yeah.

Nish: 4:09

So you’ve got, like you’ve got Abisoc, you’ve got.

Chris: 4:13

So Royal St David’s is Portmary.

Nish: 4:16

Brooketh, portmary and then Harlech’s.

Jim: 4:19

So, Royal St David’s is actually not anywhere near St David’s.

Chris: 4:22

St David’s is actually not anywhere near St David’s. No, absolutely nowhere near.

Jim: 4:24

St David’s? Yeah, no, it’s not. I remember staying there in a caravan when I was about 10 and up.

Chris: 4:29

Yeah, I don’t know. Yeah, I think it’s actually that memorable.

Nish: 4:34

I want to know about this caravan trip. Now I feel like you’re going to bring something out here, jim. No, absolutely not, it’s very windy, fair enough. No rep. All right, it’s very windy, fair enough. No repressed memories of that holiday?

Chris: 4:53

uh, yes, I think we sort of well, we, and also it gave us the opportunity to then go well, we’ll take the families over as well. Yeah, um managed to book a little place. Haven’t we overlooking the uh 18th green of abu dhabi, a very nice place as well yeah I know that, uh, emma and lucy would be great.

Nish: 5:04

We have to see them play golf. I don’t think you want to do that. Let’s let the illusion live that we might be all right at golf, you know, um, I think that we, not we, we sort of decided on that pretty quick then, didn’t we? And then it was all right now what we’re gonna do, yeah, the next one.

Chris: 5:20

So so we’ve got a couple of irons in the fire, haven’t we? So we’re still in the midst of trying to organize and sort out a trip to aberdeen, so we’ve got a friend up there who’s got a couple of mates that play at royal aberdeen and, uh, trump international.

Chris: 5:35

So yeah, we’re going to try and get on there with a couple of members and then tag along cruden bay at the same time, because that’s in the same sort of area. Yeah, we’ve got a little trip to Aberdeen that we’re thinking of doing in July time, I think, weren’t we? We’ve got to do it in the summer, haven’t we? Yeah, so we’ve got some dates together for that, so we’re just in the midst of trying to get some tea times reserved for that.

Nish: 5:54

No hint to the people involved here at all, but we’re trying to get Glen Eagles confirmed hint, hint. But um, maybe this weekend is the time to just just push that along a little bit.

Nish: 6:08

So you’ve got the details it’ll happen contact yeah, it’s one of these things now where I kind of don’t, I don’t want to push it to say you’ve not forgotten, get it booked in, you’re not forgotten to the point where they go well, piss off, you’re not playing now, sort of thing, so it’s still enough separated. If it was an actual friend of mine, I’d be like come on, get it sorted.

Jim: 6:30

But at the end of the day, if they don’t, then we’re just naming shame.

Nish: 6:34

I don’t think that bothered me. That was the problem, so we got that.

Chris: 6:44

And then we’ve got Ganton, haven’t we? Oh, ganton, ganton, in for the New Zealand Pairs when is that In the initials June as well, june, I think. Is that a Friday or something?

Nish: 6:52

That’s on a Friday. Yeah, so that’s the outlier, isn’t it? That basically boxes off York, no, but Old Woodley. But then Old Woodley, we’re probably going to play next year with Matt and Paul yeah, trying to get that organised and then West Lancs. So that’s our 10, really, I think we can get to 10 by July, august. That’ll be 13 in a calendar year. That’s pretty impressive.

Jim: 7:19

Plus, you can always throw in a trip to Birkdale, because I’m sure Dave will. I’d love to saveave will if you wanted to, because you tend to do that, for I’d love to save that for when it’s open year.

Nish: 7:28

I’d love to save that, because at the moment they’re doing a bit of coursework as well. So they’re in. They’re right in the midst of phase two of the whatever improvements they’re doing, so kind of let that bed in. I think you want to get the full experience. I mean I’d love to play that when the stands are up.

Chris: 7:39

I mean that’d be amazing, wouldn’t it yeah, yeah, that’d be pretty cool, can hint, hint?

Jim: 7:44

throw in hillside then instead. So yeah, so I think, once it’s freshened the memory, if you yeah, well, we did that session.

Nish: 7:52

I think we made a load of notes, didn’t we? And it was all right share the notes. I think that that felt like if we could do a session like that, and I suppose it only took about half an hour.

Chris: 8:01

There’s a half an hour. We planned out the entire year, didn’t it? Yeah, it was about half an hour when we planned out the entire year, basically, didn’t we? Yeah, I mean, it’s going to get more difficult when we’ve not got contacts that we can kind of yeah, just to actually choose where we’re going to go, because the minute we’ve got specific courses where we know someone, we go right.

Nish: 8:14

Well, let’s just do that one, yeah, then we’re sort of ticking off a lot of the ones that are near us as well.

Chris: 8:24

So it feels, like it’s pushing us into, like we’ve got to organise three or four trips, like identify the weekends and yeah, I think we should try and box off some of Ireland next year, not this year coming, but the year after, year after. Yeah, I feel like I’d like to do that anyway, oh, I’d like to do it anyway, because I’m a trip to Ireland. Who doesn’t love a trip to?

Jim: 8:44

Ireland, yeah exactly.

Nish: 8:45

Well, man who doesn’t drink Guinness? You don’t drink.

Chris: 8:48

Murphy’s. Of course you can’t. You can’t get gluten free Guinness, can you?

Nish: 8:53

no, they know it’s in a trick, aren’t they? They know it’s going to taste shit, so they’re not going to produce it.

Jim: 8:57

Come on, diageo, get your act together yeah, I’m not.

Chris: 9:01

I’m not sure what reaction you get walking into an Irish pub asking for a gluten-free Guinness.

Nish: 9:06

I know yeah yeah, what happens with people ask, for? I’ve heard that the alcohol-free one tastes really, really nice. It is. I was driving and I was going to visit an Irish client. I didn’t know what you were going to say then. When you said I was driving, I mean it still looks like a pint mate.

Jim: 9:22

You can’t believe it. It didn’t look like it. I’m sure it’s got no alcohol in it, but it tastes pretty similar. I mean, it’s not obviously identical, yeah.

Nish: 9:31

I’ve just never understood. I must admit, I’ve just never understood alcohol Jim just looks like he’s like.

Chris: 9:34

I don’t even know what those things are.

Nish: 9:35

Like what are?

Chris: 9:36

these words you’re saying to me.

Nish: 9:47

Well, if it’s all spanish nowadays, agua, agua, um. So that was a challenge, I suppose, and that was how we that. That sorted us out for winter, because he then gave us something to work towards into it. But, um, yeah, then it’s golf, so we can play. I’m going to carry on playing because uh rob has uh recently sold his van so he’s now available to play and we played a decent amount in the winter and he went late December. Usually I can get on at Reddish Vale and it’s still all right. Yeah, he played three times last season Every now and again.

Nish: 10:13

But we did the simulator, didn’t we?

Chris: 10:16

We did, yeah, yeah.

Nish: 10:17

Yeah, it was good. What are your impressions?

Chris: 10:19

Yeah, I like the simulator.

Nish: 10:20

Yeah, it’s, yeah, it’s good.

Chris: 10:25

It’s good to like you say, like it was like a thursday evening, yeah, no chance of any golf anywhere else. Yeah. So yeah, it was good to just go and get a few swings out there um a few shots what did you think of the accuracy of the simulator?

Jim: 10:34

I mean, it’s still bullshit is this one that you played, august. You chose to play august, you did a poll on instagram, did you?

Chris: 10:42

but only I responded after we’d played.

Nish: 10:45

Oh was it.

Chris: 10:45

After we played, I felt a bit sorry for Nish, so I was like I’ll respond to it. I’ll do one, Even though we’ve already done it.

Nish: 10:53

I’ll vote five times, but it’ll just be me. Well, I’d played the week before or two weeks before or something like that, and, um, we played wentworth home of uh, nick nick nicholas, uh nikki nikki, and we, uh what chris did, said he was probably spot on, because if you, if you play a lynx, because it’s all very flat, isn’t it nothing really? I mean, you’ve not got any sensory input of wind or anything like that, so it’s just flat terrain, so it’s pretty boring to look at. So, actually, something a bit more greenery and trees and stuff.

Jim: 11:34

Can you not use his full name now, because you’ve got an injunction.

Nish: 11:38

I’ve had a super injunction taken out against me. Oh yeah, that’s a new winter update for everyone. Yeah, nicholas nicholas doherty has taken out a super injunction. Oh no, shouldn’t have said that. Um, yeah, I’ve listened back to that. It’s hilarious to be fair. Um, but yeah, he said, play something with a bit of character and there’s stuff going on, and actually I suppose we didn’t really recognise much of the front line, not for the first seven or eight holes and then all of a sudden you’re like, oh yeah, know, this one know this one know.

Chris: 12:13

This one I mean. Obviously it’s on a simulator, so you don’t quite get the full feel of what it’s like. But I was surprised at how kind of just straight the holes were. Straight, wasn’t it? Yeah, I mean it starts bending a little bit around the back nine, but it’s just like a lot of just straight par fours, straight par fours, with trees everywhere yeah I mean, I think the thing is in reality.

Nish: 12:33

There’s like loads of mounds and like you get onto the green and there’s like really, yeah, yeah, um, I mean, one benefit of the sim golf, which which probably is better for Chris than anyone else, is you hit the green, it gives you two putts and that’s it you’re done. See, I halved my score. So I think you were on like, were you on 80-something after 17 holes, something?

Chris: 12:55

like that.

Jim: 12:56

That’s crazy.

Nish: 13:00

So it’s the putting. We know that.

Chris: 13:02

What’s going on about it? I did do. The golf simulator tell me that Mish that’s a fair point.

Nish: 13:06

That is a fair point. Yeah, I mean the reason I bring up the accuracy. There was a lot of times when, even to the untrained eye, which is my eye, I was like you really look like you’ve drawn that ball, and he didn’t. It was like straight as a die, straight or fading. He didn’t. It was like it was straight or fading or whatever, and it was like, okay, that doesn’t sort of correlate and we were, yeah, quite loudly questioning the accuracy of the thing I mean, you know, as you do, I’ve got a bad shot there.

Nish: 13:37

It can’t be me, it’s the definitely the simulator. I mean it’s flight scope. Uh was the thing, wasn’t it? The, the uh tracker, the ball tracker? Yeah, I’ve got no idea how accurate those things are, but it’s obviously commercially available, so it must be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it always worked on the good shots, it just didn’t on the exactly, yeah.

Chris: 13:57

So I mean like 70 of the time it wasn’t working, like 30 of the time it wasn’t working, like 30% of the time it worked fine, it was dead funny as well, because the guy had set the greens to be like ultra, ultra grippy sort of thing, I mean like they’re not, they’re like glass, aren’t they?

Nish: 14:11

When you see them, you barely touch it and it flies off. So we play like a chip by trying to do a bump and run or something like that, and it just hit the green and just stop. You’re like, oh, just hit the green and just stop. You know, oh, got a bit of mud. Oh no, I didn’t actually die, because that’s a really like. You set the greens to maximum friction.

Chris: 14:26

Um, so I suppose next time maybe we’ll dial that down a little bit, yeah, just a bit less glue on the green next time, please yeah so it wasn’t any use whatsoever in terms of let you know I mean it’s as close as we’re going to get to play, no, just the gym, so yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Nish: 14:42

Um, yeah, I mean, if anybody’s on our insta, they probably would have seen that there were a couple of occasions Chris was actually actually behind trees or in bushes and I mean it’s just, but you kind of think I’m not actually playing golf, so don’t need to be in the trees, like just, why is the view just tree, like what I don’t know? I don’t really make any sense. But what I wanted to know was when you hit it. Obviously try and hit that in real life. Yeah, you just don’t know where it’s going to go. Did I mean you just did it? Replicate that we don’t know? Do we just did it?

Chris: 15:15

I mean, I was certainly hitting a shot like I was playing out the woods, but yeah, just just thinking it actually, I could have just get the driver out.

Jim: 15:22

Yeah, yeah, give it a few leaves from the, from the car park, and a few twigs and yeah just do that.

Chris: 15:26

Take that with us next time. Authentic, just come back looking like sting of the dump. Let’s play a lynx course and we’ll take a big van with us so we can replicate some wind, the feel of it all, or we could just like put it in a equal and opposing position and just have no wind. Just offset the wind with.

Nish: 15:45

Offset the wind completely yeah, yeah, I think it. It was, as it was with the first time that I played. As well, it’s good to be able to do to swing, isn’t?

Chris: 15:54

it. Yeah, it’s nice to just like. It’s like good to the range. You just whack on the balls. You don’t really like you’re aiming for something. Yeah, there’s no kind of challenge in it, but it’s quite nice to play a little course and yeah, working out distances and all that kind of stuff.

Jim: 16:04

You know I suppose you mean you’re doing all your exercises after your, after your session with, with with the nika.

Nish: 16:09

So oh yeah, absolutely all your stretches and stretches and whatnot.

Jim: 16:12

So did you do that all before?

Nish: 16:15

I did. I did a little bit, had to jog because I left the driver in the car so I had to go jog and do that, and that’s probably why we couldn’t finish the last hole. It was really annoying actually, which cost us a hole.

Jim: 16:24

Yeah, I was all set. So is that not the fact that you know we’ve alluded to it in the past that you take too long to line up your shots? Sorry, take a long time lining up your shots.

Nish: 16:38

Yeah, I mean, we should have been able to suppose we were funny around quite a lot, weren’t we? To be fair, yeah, we’re filming, we’re doing the whole like filming shots and all that sort of stuff as well. So but I was looking at my swing well, I was looking at my swing and I must admit I was like that’s not looking too bad, like it’s not, it wasn’t in bad shape, but you wouldn’t tell from you were you?

Chris: 17:00

were you looking at different video?

Nish: 17:05

what’s it called confirmation bias that?

Jim: 17:07

is a good swing, isn’t it? Well, actually funnily enough.

Nish: 17:09

So I put a poll on tiktok to say this swing’s looking all right, isn’t it? So I got, I put it out at what half 10 or whatever it was at night. Um, I got 27 votes all for no no, no it was.

Nish: 17:24

It was, it was two-thirds, no, one-third, yes. So thank you to all the people who said yes, yeah, it kind of it shot like yes, shot into a lead. It was like five nil up and then suddenly it started going all nose. Were you the first five votes? Yeah, I must have been the first year. Just sorry, I was the other 22 yeah, emma, please vote for me but, yeah it. So yeah, overall, good, I was happy with that.

Nish: 17:47

Yeah it was fun, yeah do it again, definitely keeping your golf in check over the winter. Chris has been having lessons. Yes, I have how’s it going?

Chris: 17:56

it’s going all right, actually. Yeah, I’d say it’s going pretty well, okay, um so how many of you have now then?

Nish: 18:02

so?

Chris: 18:02

I’ve had three lessons, so I booked a. Have you had now then? So I’ve had three lessons, so I’ve booked a block of six and I’ve had three. So I’m basically having one once a month at the minute, just because that’s when I can fit them in. Yeah, but yeah, it’s going pretty well.

Jim: 18:15

Yeah.

Chris: 18:15

The guy is a really good coach. Actually. I just kind of picked him randomly from, not randomly. I looked at his CV obviously. You picked him randomly from, not randomly, I looked at his cv?

Jim: 18:23

obviously yeah.

Chris: 18:23

Um he saw his dancers and tick tock and then yeah, I mean so he’s got a pretty good cv. You know he’s played out in the states. He’s played college golf right, um. You know he’s coached some of the some of the um european tour pros and stuff like that and a couple of so, like the number one amateur in the country is currently coaching as well all right.

Jim: 18:40

so yeah, he Okay, that’s pretty good. So yeah, he’s a really good coach.

Chris: 18:44

So yeah, the sessions have been really useful.

Nish: 18:47

Definitely very useful. No-transcript takeaway from the first three lessons. Well, what have you covered?

Chris: 18:53

first off, I suppose so I guess the first lesson was mostly about weight transfer, so that’s for everyone doesn’t know. So getting from your, from your right foot, yeah, onto your left foot, yeah, and ultimately I wasn’t getting that weight transfer across right, so my weight was staying on my arm did he pick that up quite quick as well?

Chris: 19:10

yeah, that was within five swings. Yeah, right, um, and it’s something that I’ve always been guilty of, right, he’s just then using my arm, so I’ve got pretty good hand to eye coordination. Yeah, so I can get my hands through a good rate of knots and time it well to kind of hit the ball so four out of ten times I’m probably gonna get a decent shot, which is probably where you’re at exactly.

Chris: 19:33

But then the other six times you’re gonna get one left, you’re gonna get one right, you’re gonna get one. That’s going fucking backwards.

Nish: 19:39

Um, so did you notice then, once you started transferring your weight properly, that literally that was made a difference?

Chris: 19:43

straight away. As soon as I did that, I was like however, however, not realize that, like, I know, I know what I should be doing, yeah, yeah, there’s a difference between knowing what you should be doing, yeah, and realizing what you’re actually doing without some, without a seeing it on video, or be somebody telling you what you’re doing and then, as soon as they say, you’re like, well, of course I’m not doing that, like why have I not been doing that? Yeah, um, so that made a massive difference. That was within like 10 minutes of the first lesson. I was like I’m cured, did?

Chris: 20:08

you do that, then you say like, just show me what you’ve got yeah, yes, he just said hit, hit 10 shots, just go through the bag, hit a couple of wedges, hit a few seven irons, hit a couple of drivers and he’s just like kind of stood at the back, just like you know, yeah, yeah, stroking his beard yeah, um, so yes, you’re ready to turn pro again?

Nish: 20:25

yeah I’m all I said done I’m qualifying for the. Your grip, change you obviously change your grip just before sni yeah, so I’d always done from a lesson, or is that? No, no, no that was, that was pre-lessons.

Chris: 20:36

That’s fine, so he’s not. Yeah, I’ve not touched on grip, that’s. That’s kind of okay that’s okay that’s fine.

Chris: 20:40

So, yes, the first lesson was that. The second lesson we did chipping and actually, to be fair, so the first lesson itself, just getting that weight transfer actually helped me a lot anyway, because I’ve been going and practicing the chipping anyway, and just having that, just having that awareness of actually the fact that I’m just sitting back on my right foot and that feel made the chipping miles better anyway. So then basically for the chipping session we did, we were just working on kind of knee-to-knee, shoulder-to-shoulder figuring out yardages. It was like actually chipping technique is pretty good, so you just need to work on getting that consistency and getting that. How far do I hit it going knee to knee? How far do I hit it going shoulder to shoulder?

Chris: 21:18

I think next time, when we play in March, I’m talking a good game, nish, I’ll still be absolutely dog shit on the course next lesson is putting, is it no, so I’ve had three, so I’ve had a third one, so the last one that I had was basically again, it’s all about sequencing.

Chris: 21:33

So once my weight transfer is going across, that’s working. The other, my hands, are always very active, so, like I said, I’ve got pretty good hand to eye coordination so I can get back to the ball, which I’ve always been guilty of, like I’ll always just get my hands going through it quickly. Yeah, so then he’s just been talking about just delaying the hands, getting the right sort of kinetic movement, so getting that weight transfer, then getting the body turning first so things happen in the right sequence in your swing and it’s then it becomes subconscious.

Chris: 21:57

You just do it, yeah, and my hands just get too quick and I’ll just flip through the balls. That’s why you get a bit of a left one, a bit of a right one, just because you’re flicking your wrist through it right it’s just quieting the wrist down, getting the body doing the, doing the work, rather than the arms and the hands right. Um so, yeah, quiet in the hands, quiet in the arms Because this sound to me.

Nish: 22:14

So I’ve had lessons once before. The guys come together to get me lessons when I was on my 30th. Yeah, and my experience wasn’t that at all. Mine was more. This is how you play golf, mate. This is what you need to do. Yeah, yeah, but you’re getting in. Obviously you’re starting from a higher point, aren’t you?

Chris: 22:30

Because you’ve got all those basics yeah, I mean most of the basics are there, it’s just about fine-tuning them right yeah, yeah yeah that’s interesting, that isn’t it? Yeah, it’s been. Yeah, it’s been really really good. So I think. So I booked a book to session six. I’m doing once a month so I can take me through to sort of march time, right, I think I’m then just going to book another block of six.

Nish: 22:48

I just do one once a month throughout the summer yeah because I was going to ask like you’re going to keep it up then during.

Chris: 22:51

Yeah, because I think ultimately, I think you know you look at the professionals. They’ve all got their own coach right and they’re coached every day like people you don’t.

Chris: 23:00

You don’t just get good at golf and then you just forever good at golf right you’ve got to keep working at it and you’ve got to have something or someone giving you some guidance on, yeah, where you need to make improvements. Yeah, because ultimately you’ll you’ll get a feel swing for you know, feel for your swing and then you won’t play for a couple of weeks, you go back and that feel will be completely different and you might then start trying to counteract those movements and do something else it doesn’t feel quite right your logic to it.

Nish: 23:24

Yeah, yeah, so you need that kind of constant repetition and that constant kind of coaching.

Jim: 23:28

Ultimately, yeah, it’s like no, no about jock bitch in tennis. You know he’s got andy now.

Chris: 23:32

Yeah, I mean that’s weird, that’s all weird.

Nish: 23:35

Yeah, it’s just an odd one, isn’t it? I mean?

Chris: 23:39

going back to coach one of your biggest rivals.

Nish: 23:41

But they’re good mates, aren’t they?

Chris: 23:47

From younger days. They all were. You know the four of them.

Nish: 23:48

Yeah, Like them and Rafa and it just feels I mean I’ll just. I think he should try and give Emma Radicarni a, that’s what I I’d assume that would have been the logical step.

Chris: 23:59

Like one of the Brits that’s up and coming.

Nish: 24:02

Yeah, what’s his name? Jack Draper. Yeah, you know he’s not coaching him.

Jim: 24:05

Because I think it’s his first foray into it, so I mean I’m sure Novak doesn’t need a huge yeah, that’s true.

Nish: 24:11

That’s a fair point. You put your team in it better, can’t you?

Jim: 24:13

yeah, I think Emma and Jack are very much their first name terms is it the physicality as well is also changing. They’re quite young, so they’re sort of kind of growing into their own bodies and they’re starting to broaden out and fill out because they’re we’re talking about tennis.

Chris: 24:30

But and if you fail, it’s a bit like being a man United coach at the minute you’re going to go in there, you’re probably going to fail and it’s going to have a big knockout impact on the rest of your career. 4-0-1-1 on Sunday oh, yeah just got an overlap.

Nish: 24:43

Yeah, absolutely. I couldn’t go less PTSD being an Everton fan yes, I suppose the official press release said something like you know, because Andy Murray’s such a student of the game and understands tactics quite well, that I think that’s what they’re expecting to glean from him, more than anything else.

Jim: 25:04

It was quite funny watching the Grand Prix at the weekend when Novak was in Mercedes Garage with George Russell and Andy, so he’s posting a picture of them all and Andy Murray’s like where you should be in the fucking training court.

Nish: 25:20

Oh, did he say that the practice?

Jim: 25:21

court, yeah, that’s quite funny.

Nish: 25:23

He’s a funny guy, isn’t he?

Chris: 25:24

I love Andy Murray. I really like him.

Nish: 25:26

Got a lot of time for him. Is that a couple of documentaries he had. He was really really good, didn’t?

Chris: 25:31

they. Yeah, I think he comes across really well in later life. I think his first few years of lack of media training didn’t help him.

Nish: 25:38

Yeah, I think so well, he got stung by that whole thing where, I think, they asked him about whether England were going to do alright in the tournament and he was like I don’t care, and they slaughtered him, didn’t they?

Chris: 25:50

and he he’s basically said, now he’s finished playing tennis, that he’s taken up golf playing golf, gareth Bale, andy Murray, I mean, what are they doing muscling in our territory? I think they played together, didn’t they, in the BMW championship today right. Bale and Murray, I think happy about all of this.

Jim: 26:03

If they’re going into golf coaching, then maybe probably not that.

Chris: 26:06

Netflix series might get made in the end absolutely.

Nish: 26:09

Novakovic and Nadal are decent golfers as well. Have you seen Nadal’s golf swing?

Chris: 26:14

It is fucking atrocious.

Nish: 26:16

Is it?

Chris: 26:17

Like it’s basically a tennis swing, but he plays off like two or something. Oh, fair enough, I suppose yeah, if you can.

Nish: 26:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually. Yeah, he’s a bit too muscly and stuff, isn’t he? Yeah, I mean it just looks awkward, Does? He like yeah, I mean, imagine that He’ll have all like the water bottles all set up and facing the right way before he goes to play Rafa. It’s a good job you hit it 400 yards, because otherwise Okay good, I think that’s a good check. Have you got any expectations then for your proper first round, which is probably going to be in that Royal St St David’s? What do you think?

Chris: 26:52

Don’t know. I mean I think it’s one thing doing the practice and doing the reps and getting the coaching, but you still need time out on the course. So I think, so I’m going to join Reddish. I’m going to join Reddish sort of early next year as an associate member and just try and play once a fortnight or whatever. Just you know out on the course a little bit and just, yeah, be out and playing golf holes and scoring a little bit as well, because you need that as well. You can’t just bash your balls in the range.

Nish: 27:17

I mean it’s that the range that that we go to the addlington is quite good because you’ve got a grass section. But I suppose at the minute that’s closed yeah, that’s all closed, so yeah yeah, you’re not really picking that up, are you now? So okay, so no real set expectations I have. I mean I’m expecting you to do well I I mean I.

Chris: 27:35

My expectation is that I will be better and more consistent. I’m not sure about what the score. I’m expecting you certainly t to green.

Nish: 27:42

I was expecting you to go back to more town level where you were hitting it really well.

Chris: 27:45

It was going, you know, roughly where you wanted it to go yeah I mean, I think, you’ll probably see a bit of an improvement on that.

Nish: 27:50

Hopefully, yeah, consistent a better strike, yeah, and I think, if you do that, I think then and you’re not then worried about that I think then you can just concentrate on right. What am I doing for the short stuff?

Chris: 28:01

Yeah, yeah, right, nice you might be threatening the scorers, then Maybe we’re a little way off that but maybe you never know well um right, great, I think that was a good little catch-up of our, uh, of our winter plans.

Jim: 28:20

Can I just ask you a question?

Nish: 28:20

oh go why are you sat there now? I just wanted a bit of a change of scene, you know?

Jim: 28:25

uh, I just thought you were kind of blending into framed by the uh, by the christmas tree.

Nish: 28:33

And yeah, I’ve not brought them down, I’m locked away for the winter. I’m not seeing eye to eye with them at the minute because I’m not able to hit them very well. It’s all just at the moment. I’m just psyching myself up for going out and spending a grand and buying some new clubs just to give me a psychological fake boost of where I think my golf is.

Jim: 28:57

I am going to buy a new driver actually this weekend.

Chris: 29:00

No, no, this weekend, but so after my lesson so I was like my speaking, so it’s like my driving’s not going so well, so we didn’t like 15 minutes of my driving as well, and he gave me a go with his driver. I was like, oh, I need a new driver oh really is that right?

Nish: 29:11

so we hit in a lot, a lot better straight away. What did he have?

Chris: 29:14

uh, he had a ping. I don’t know what it was, some sort of ping driver.

Nish: 29:18

Well, g, I’ve got a g410, so it’s probably new, and then that is an 8 430, I think I think he said you know he got the.

Chris: 29:24

He got the new one and bend it off because it was the same as the old ones. We just got his old one back.

Nish: 29:27

So it’s like the last model you could, genuinely you can borrow mine the g4. It’s just a shaft. It’s a shaft, is it yeah?

Chris: 29:34

Yeah, proper shaft, isn’t it Not just the pump, and I’m that pump shaft. So if that comes with the club, then we almost managed.

Nish: 29:45

I feel like. I feel like we should, we should end it there. It’s a good point to bring it to a close.

Jim: 29:51

Oh close, oh thanks chaps.

Nish: 29:54

Next time, on the top 100 in 10 golf podcast, we’ll talk about the ratings, both official and ours.