The Listener Q&A – Part 1

Nish: 0:01

Every story has an ending. Does our quest to play the top 100 courses in 10 years have a good ending? I’m Nish, I’m Chris, I’m Jim and we’re your hosts, guiding you through this golfing journey. This is the Top 100 in 10 Golf Podcast, episode 11. The Listener Q&A Part 2.

Jim: 0:24

Back to the questions Hot Shots, part deux. Um, it’s a question of the question from physo actually. So point of order. Oh, what happens if the top 100 courses changes during the years of the challenge?

Nish: 0:42

great question and very easy, quick answer. So we’ve taken a snapshot and we started the challenge. So that list is actually on the website with where the courses were ranked at that time. So we’re not going to deviate from that, because we do expect a movement and then, you know, new courses coming up and stuff like that. So that is actually a really good really good question.

Chris: 1:02

It’s a good question, but I think we’ve got an answer. We’ve got a spreadsheet. It’s in there, it’s locked in, it doesn’t change. However just putting this one out there. So they are building a new Ryder Cup. I don’t know if it’s still going on, but they’re still talking about it In Bolton. Yeah, a new Ryder Cup venue in Bolton.

Nish: 1:18

So, 2035 or 2045 or something Asterix caveat, whatever you want to call it If a new course enters the top 100, it’s really near us.

Chris: 1:27

It’s going on the list. It’s going on the list. We could just do 101 to be fair.

Nish: 1:32

Imagine like suddenly 8 courses around us and it goes like fuck.

Jim: 1:37

I could have played these courses really easily. I sent you a link the other week that there’s another Trump course being built up near aberdeen.

Nish: 1:47

There is yeah is there near aberdeen as well. Taking over, is that like a completely new, completely new course, new facility sort of thing? Yes, all right. Well, he is taking over, isn’t he? He said in his election campaign and he’s like, they love me in sc in Scotland, or something like that 51st state Loads of. Scots. I was like no, we don’t. Yeah, sorry.

Jim: 2:13

So that’s a very simple one there. Do any of the clubs have random rules? I mean the ones that we’ve talked about from your experiences previously is no mobile phones.

Nish: 2:25

That seems to be a common one that’s not particularly random dress code you know I’m going to let you into my don’t say dungeon, you’ve only just escaped. I’m going to let you into my psyche a little bit here oh, please don’t.

Jim: 2:48

I really don’t want to go to regress.

Nish: 2:50

You don’t want to go there. You don’t want to go there again, dear jim. No, um, I obviously I think about the challenge and the podcast a lot no, I don’t know if you noticed.

Jim: 3:00

Um well my, my whatsapp probably mention it as much as I mentioned playing but then again I do to a lot of people, even though I’m not actually doing a challenge.

Nish: 3:08

You’re a co-host, mate you’re 33.3 recurring percent liable for all the costs that we’re going to incur.

Jim: 3:18

I better get a fucking job then.

Nish: 3:23

I remind me of the question again, of course, oh random rules yeah so it occurred to me the other day and I thought it was a real brain wave. So you’re not allowed to use mobile phones in the clubhouse doesn’t say you can’t use a camera ding, ding, ding, ding, ding gopro or a wearable camera to take the snaps that I want to take you know we’re not going to be able to move within this.

Chris: 3:53

We’re going to have fucking heart rate monitors, gopro cameras be teched up to the max walking in like the mitchell in man, you’re right.

Nish: 4:01

Yeah, yeah, we’re all right. Yeah, yeah, you’re fine. Don’t move, mate, I’ll just snap. Done Right. Or you can get the Ray-Bans car now that take pictures, but I genuinely didn’t think about getting the GoPro and stick it. This is more for personal.

Chris: 4:19

That sounds really that sounds really creepy, doesn’t it?

Jim: 4:21

No one wants to see that I don’t mean that you’re going to get Neil around to get you off to the Birktale Clubhouse you’ll be plugging your OnlyFans on this podcast link in the description.

Nish: 4:36

It would be interesting to send that to Andy just stick a GoPro on your golf trolley and then it just records the whole thing and you just speed it up and whatever you know, you see me just zigzagging across the course, the gorse. Yeah, I think it does say yeah, and I get that with mobile phones, you don’t want it ringing or anything like that. But it doesn’t actually say you can’t take a picture, so maybe a camera.

Jim: 5:07

So we went on holiday to be for just a few weeks ago. I know you still post on instagram about it, even though you got back two weeks ago.

Nish: 5:11

This couple who was sat near us. Oh, you weren’t taking pictures of them no, no they asked. They asked the waitress to take a picture of them, so she’s expected to be handed like a iphone or whatever. And they, they pulled out an undisposable camera nice, and she just went the fuck, is that okay? So she was like, but put her eye to the viewfinder, she was like all right, okay. So I started physically moving back and she just could get her head around it like I can’t like this like yeah, so she and imagine they haven’t wound it on either.

Jim: 5:42

Yeah, yeah.

Nish: 5:42

So she took the picture, though like she like went on and gave it, gave it back to them. So we were just like, oh, I’ve not seen one of them for years. And they were like, yeah, yeah, we do it everywhere we go. I was like, yeah, you can annoy everyone everywhere you go. It’s like, oh well, the picture doesn’t come out and that’s what we’re used to. Now you know, the picture doesn’t come out, take it again, you don’t?

Jim: 6:01

you just post you took your first, first shot, then he goes that’s then, it’s then it’s on.

Chris: 6:05

It’s me picking my nose and things I feel like your pictures from like the.

Nish: 6:09

You know, I always have the stickers on like there’s a quality control yeah, yeah, yeah or whatever um you’re just.

Chris: 6:15

You’re just yours, and neil’s pictures.

Nish: 6:17

Yeah, it is, yeah, mine and neil’s tender, tender, tender moment um you see it on only fans. You’re, uh, you’re just. You’re just not like the. You’re not like the murphys. Jim, I think you’re being a bit bitter here. I think is it because I posted a couple of pictures of you in less than flattering no, just just a lot of pictures, just no, no.

Jim: 6:36

Just, I’m just not very photogenic, that’s not. I think that’s what it is oh, he’s right going back to a question from Andrew actually. So how are you getting on invite only courses, and it’s something that we’ve touched on a little bit in previous podcasts and this is one of the reasons, I suppose, for the podcast in the first place.

Nish: 7:01

I think this feels like the right time to bring it out. Chris, what are you talking about now? You’re gonna find out are you?

Nish: 7:08

ready. Brace yourself, jim. So there’s a. There are a couple of courses that you can. Wentworth is the top one. Right, I have in my mind’s eye. I’ve only ever told you, so now I’ve made it public, I have it in my mind. Somehow. We’re going to end up playing Wentworth by invitation by a member whose name is Nick Doherty. Oh, you told me this one. Have I told you as well? Oh, wow, is Nick Doherty. Oh, you told me this one. Have I told you as well?

Chris: 7:48

Is Nick Doherty even a member?

Nish: 7:50

He is a member. Yeah, is he? Yeah, yeah, all of his stuff that he does is at Wentworth now. Right, I don’t know why I just have that image in my head. We’re going to end up playing Wentworth with him by invitation. I’m working to that, that’s that’s. That’s my life’s ambition. I’ve got pictures of him in the room on the ceiling. Wake up, I can see nick’s face.

Jim: 8:14

Nick’s face, he’s, he’s consulting his lawyers as we speak I’ve super liked him on tinder.

Nish: 8:23

I don’t I just I don’t know why I’m straining order. Nothing is shaking that like, even when people are just going. Oh, I’ve got a contact who went with like, yeah, fine, mate, well, don’t worry about, went with, we’re gonna be playing with nick doherty, like I just, I don’t, I just I just feel like like he’s from, he’s up from the northwest like his home club was Bootle. He used to play at Bootle apparently Bootle.

Chris: 8:47

I thought he used to play at what’s it called Just outside Chorley Shore, shore Hill. All right, okay, that was his home course, yeah.

Nish: 8:55

There’s a bit of a Bolton connection going on there, mate. This is becoming even more serendipitous. This is going to happen, so I’ve made it public now. I think that’s that is how wentworth is going to happen. I think wentworth is the only invite. Only is that is lock lomond as well, the same I think you mentioned yeah you’re right, lock lomond is.

Chris: 9:15

I don’t think he was swindley forest. I think there’s probably five or six in there but but swindley forest, do those I think sun and down the same as well.

Nish: 9:22

I think they did mizuno pair so you could throw money at that, yeah, and we could do that my family heritage is all from drimmon, which is near lot london, so I’ll pop.

Jim: 9:29

Oh, is it yeah?

Nish: 9:30

mclaren.

Jim: 9:30

Oh no, that’s wrong, donnie gall the mclarens from danigal uh, scotland drimmon, yeah, that’s wrong, sorry, yeah, so uh, oh, really right okay, yeah, yeah, I don’t think there’s anyone. A lot of mclaren clan still up there. They got wiped out. They weren’t the best fighters.

Nish: 9:44

I’m not worried about Wentworth in any way, shape or form. I just I just everything in my being says that is how we’re going to end up playing Wentworth. I just maybe it might be one of those things where that’s the culmination of our challenge, like we end.

Jim: 10:00

Wentworth is going to push back nick doherty’s going to push back nick doherty. Use my name in vain.

Nish: 10:07

I’m so glad you contacted me.

Chris: 10:08

I’ve been waiting for you to message me on instagram, waiting in your dreams charlie bolton?

Nish: 10:14

I don’t know I’m down here now come on, yeah, let’s make this happen. It’s a weird one because I think would you do me the honor, says nick, of being on my podcast on my YouTube channel. Actually, fuck it. Do you want to come out to Augusta for the Sky Sports Masters Cup? Yes, please, nick That’d be great. Yeah, yeah, cheers. Can we get on telly? Is that all right? I don’t know why I’ve got, I’ve got.

Chris: 10:38

That’s my life’s ambition at the minute Aside from raising my kids and giving them a good future and all that kind of thing stalk nick doherty into into getting you into submission.

Nish: 10:49

Yeah, I’m just. I’m looking picture the 18th you know up to that is the 18th, isn’t it where you’ve got?

Chris: 10:56

it’s like nick just walking up trousers if you’re listening to this nick, don’t believe any of that.

Nish: 11:00

It’s all right, you’re listening to this. Nick, don’t believe any of that.

Jim: 11:06

It’s all right, you’re as late as man crush. You’ll be on to someone else. You’ll be back on to Taron Egerton next week.

Nish: 11:11

Trousers are optional. Is what I’m saying? We’ll drink plenty of cherry wine.

Jim: 11:15

Is that one of the club’s random rules? Is it no trousers allowed? That’s a pretty random rule actually.

Nish: 11:20

I think so far I haven’t found any random rules in there. I did find the whole like use your mobile phone in the car park a bit random.

Chris: 11:28

I reckon if you look at the Scottish ones, I reckon there’ll be some weird little traditional ones in there, I suspect. Yeah, I reckon.

Nish: 11:34

You have to play this particular hole. With what leg? In the air or something like that. Or Nick Dizepik, dick Dizepik Trouseless yeah so no. Or nicknames trouseless yeah so no.

Chris: 11:46

Haven’t found anything, but I will keep an eye on that now, on any well, we might, because I think when we first started this, I was like I think we’ll be able to do a good chunk of this. I think there’s going to be 10 that we’re just never going to get onto, but actually, the more, the more we have these discussions and the more we have these discussions and the more we have these chats, I think we’re going to get on them all.

Chris: 12:04

Yeah, I’m pretty confident we can do it. I don’t think there’s anything that’s going to stop us from doing that.

Nish: 12:08

The two unattainable ones have always felt like Wentworth definitely, and JCB.

Chris: 12:15

They’re the two unattainable ones.

Nish: 12:17

Now, to be honest, this is going pretty well, and I think there’s probably a time when I need to buy a JCB and I reckon that just becomes part of the sales process, doesn’t it? Can I get on the course?

Jim: 12:32

I’m going to buy John Deere or Caterpillar, unless you let me on the course. But I want to give you my money, turning up to JCB with your Caterpillar shoes on and your Royal Birkdale hoodie.

Chris: 12:42

Yeah.

Nish: 12:45

Given on. You know, and you’re on your royal birkdale hoodie. Yeah, given, yeah, I think. Uh, they were the two. But so many people I’ve spoken to have either said that I’ve played jcb so it is possible, or they’ve said, I think, like you said as well, that you know you might know a couple of people that can potentially get us on there. It’s fine. It doesn’t hold any faith for me.

Chris: 13:09

I think I’ve kind of got over that. I think we’re going to do it.

Nish: 13:12

I just don’t mind if I just check my phone very quickly, because Nick might be on right now live. Just heard you name checking me. Lads, will you stop it please?

Chris: 13:24

live chat on your OnlyFans fans page told you it was a one-time thing. Yeah, leave me alone get over it. Is it the soft hands? Is that what does it?

Jim: 13:37

come on, surely not, surely not I think this, this, I mean that was, uh, obviously the question how are you getting on invite only courses, courses. So, yeah, yeah, this podcast is obviously going to help in some respects and just people talking about it.

Nish: 13:49

We don’t ask people. I mean, Alex said that, didn’t he?

Jim: 13:52

He said he’s been added to groups and things like that, which you’ve started to be added to different groups and getting people following you. Yeah, it’s suddenly happened in the last couple of days. Yeah, me, and I think we’ve got a couple of potential podcast guests off the off the back of it as well.

Nish: 14:15

So, um, isn’t it one of those I imagined, imagine, right? Anyway, nick, let’s stop flirting. When are you gonna get us onto?

Jim: 14:19

oh right, I think is that all you wanted me for.

Nish: 14:20

Yeah, yeah, what superstitions do you have?

Jim: 14:23

what superstitions don’t I have? Well, I know this is a question. Can we come to Chris first? Yeah.

Nish: 14:29

I think, so this could be quite a long segment.

Chris: 14:31

I think, in the context of things, so I’m not superstitious at all. However, there is one superstition for golf that I have, and I will always play golf in blue underpants, always. Okay, why I?

Jim: 14:45

don’t know.

Chris: 14:46

That’s how I used to. I must have had some good rounds at some point in blue underpants, and I’ve never gone back. I’ll always play golf.

Nish: 14:52

I’m not going to test this theory out, by the way, Chris.

Chris: 14:55

I mean, I’m not playing golf today, so I don’t know what color my underpants are.

Nish: 15:00

So it’s your commando now, is it so? Are you ever superstitious enough where, if you’ve got a really important thing that’s not golf related, you’ll go stick the blue underpants on?

Jim: 15:12

no, it’s just golf, strictly golf and do you have to be specific brand of the? No, no just blue, I mean obviously it’s been over a few decades.

Chris: 15:23

No, no, I’m not, I’ve got, I’ve got a hundred a few decades, not like Calvin Klein or something. No, no, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not, I’ve got, I’ve got a hundred, you know a hundred of the most expensive golf courses in in the UK. Yeah, oh yeah, fiber, fiber portion these days, aren’t they? Jim four pound fifty, but yeah, it’s the only superstition I’ve got in in all of life, really yeah man, I wish it was just that I really do

Chris: 15:55

so nothing else to add before we get before the onslaught before the ramble no, I’ll keep it short and sweet. For the uh benefit, I’m going to leave it as I have lots.

Nish: 16:06

I’m just going to put I have lots. That’s my official answer. A lot to the extent where I’ll look back through pictures and go what was I wearing that day that I played really, really well, I’ll just wear that top again. It’s so weird. I’m so superstitious. Playing champ manager, I was like, if we’re playing champ manager and let champ manager, I was like if we’re playing champ manager and let’s say, I was like biting my, my thumbnail here and we scored a goal, and we’re like and that’s it, that’s the rest of the game. So the fact that I’m right handed, I’d be like I’ve got to use the mouth left handed because I just can’t move from this. And then we’d go on some kind of like 12 game unbeaten streak and it’s like see, it’s working, it’s working. Then you go oh, I started biting the wrong bit of the nail. That’s why we lost right. Go back again. It’s so superstitious, it’s unbelievable and so I mean it’s just at all, but I’m massively superstitious about everything.

Nish: 16:57

It’s not worked for me.

Jim: 16:58

I know, because you start, you get used to. You’ve been wearing your villa shirt for the Villa Games recently and that doesn’t look like it was involved.

Nish: 17:03

Well, do you know what I sourced this back to, when I bought an actual official rather than a dodgy shirt?

Jim: 17:13

We don’t advocate fakes. I don’t have a what Advocate wearing fakes and buying fakes?

Nish: 17:20

Yeah, I don’t advocate it, but I do. I wear it myself as in. But I bought the official one because, again in my head I was like I think we could be on for a good season here. I should get the anniversary 150-year kit, you know. Whatever, I haven’t won a game since, so is it worth wasting 66 quid by burning it? I don’t know. Adam will probably be in it next month anyway. I don’t know. Adam will probably be in it next month anyway.

Chris: 17:46

I don’t think football gets burned these days anyway, mate the disaster of the 1980s melt it into this plastic mess. Yeah, I’m very superstitious what’s your number one golf superstition then? Number one golf superstition, it just changes weekly, and that’s the weird thing about it with the superstitions.

Nish: 18:05

It’s then what number one, golf just changes weekly. It does, and that’s the weird thing about it with the superstitions it’s I’ll do it and I’ll be like, oh, that was terrible, I played absolutely awfully. Change it, do something new, and then, like that becomes the flavour of the month right.

Jim: 18:18

So it’s not like the Tiger Woods used to wear watch out new guests coming.

Nish: 18:32

Can you imagine if you get Tiger Woods on?

Jim: 18:34

I think he’s just getting ahead of himself here.

Nish: 18:37

He’d jump from Nick Doughty to Tiger Woods. Tiger, Tiger, Tiger. Get us out of Augusta.

Jim: 18:46

We’re getting Greg Norman to offer you a bloody deal.

Nish: 18:50

We should unpack this a little bit. Alex has got an invitation to play at Augusta. I mean, that was mind blowing for me, mind blowing, actual invitation to go and play at Augusta with a proper, bonafide member but it’s not Nick Doherty though, is it?

Nish: 19:09

do you know? When that happens, I will gladly come back on air and go. Do you remember when that happens? I will gladly come back on here and go. You remember? Do you remember when you, when you mocked me actually you can’t bloody play so you can’t claim you finish your hundred okay, so which?

Jim: 19:24

question was it which?

Nish: 19:24

question was it question two?

Chris: 19:26

when do we start falling out? Yeah, 48th minute of uh podcast number 10.

Nish: 19:31

I reckon like if that invitation comes through, that’s when people will be like can we come and play? Can we come and play? Can we come and play no?

Jim: 19:39

And I think this is quite apt to move on to the next one, because we could talk about your superstitions all night. Yeah, I will. You’re going to open up the rounds to guests at any point. I’ll let you answer that Chris.

Chris: 19:53

What do you think? I think it’s already open to guests. Right, it is, it’s difficult though, isn’t it? Yeah, I think logistically it makes it a lot more difficult.

Nish: 20:03

I think, sporadically, I think it probably will be You’re looking at me, I think the guests are probably going to be.

Chris: 20:10

You’re obviously going to play a few with us, aren’t?

Nish: 20:12

you? Yeah, he is. That’s what he’s nailed, aren’t we?

Chris: 20:17

I think just obviously playing with members and stuff at some of the courses will automatically mean we’re bringing other people into the fold.

Nish: 20:26

I was just discussing this with Jim before you arrived late.

Chris: 20:33

That question has really, really started something, hasn’t it? This is unravelling right before everybody’s eyes. This is now the top five in eight months.

Jim: 20:43

Do you want to swap places?

Nish: 20:46

it’s going to be our record we’re going to go round to Chris’s on Friday for some food and drinks. I hope there’s food on anyway well, apparently there has to be.

Jim: 20:55

Now.

Nish: 20:56

Chris is gonna send me a message going yeah, you can come around like 8 am or whatever, knowing I’m not gonna do it, just go. You’re fucking late mate about 12 hours.

Jim: 21:05

The thing is, you will be there at 8 am I’ll knock on the door. Yeah, 7, 59 in fact yeah um, this is rather punctual, everybody, and that’s, that’s my upbringing.

Nish: 21:16

I think I’ve always been around sports teams and stuff like that and it was always like on, time is late yeah, but if somebody says in an invitation it’s from 3 pm and you turn up at 259, we’re ready to knock at 259’s a joke, isn’t it?

Jim: 21:30

we’re ready to knock it to 259 do a silent car for 3 hours before wait till 3.

Nish: 21:36

How random is it and funny is it that my wife is exactly the same, if not more so, her and her family. They’re like no, no, no, you get there 20 minutes early.

Jim: 21:47

It’s hilarious because there are 2 times in all the years that I’ve known you that you’ve been late. You’ve been in the last 12 months and I’ve known you that you’ve been late, have been in the last 12 months and I’ve taken such absolute pleasure in putting it on a group going. Nish and Emma are late.

Nish: 22:00

It’s always been a minute, though right, it’s been one minute. Both times it’s been one minute. I mean it’s a minute.

Chris: 22:05

And it’s been the taxi driver’s fault.

Nish: 22:08

Well, should have organised it earlier.

Jim: 22:11

One of the taxi drivers was Emma’s dad. It’s even worse. What was even the question here? It was about inviting guests, Right?

Nish: 22:19

so the problem we’ve got, I suppose, is there’s two of us playing, so it only ever leaves two spaces in our tea time. Yeah, Okay, now obviously you’ve then got we’re playing a couple of courses in wales we could open up. Let more people come, not let sorry, that’s sounds a bit a bit silly that. Let people come, but you could say, okay, you know, come and play, yeah, but they’re gonna pay 120 quid around, or whatever so it’s expensive straight away there.

Nish: 22:53

Yeah, I know we shouldn’t assume that people don’t want to pay that and that’s fine, you know. However, it’s not just a. We’re playing didsbury on saturday, do you want to join us? And then we’re hoping to play with more members and be invited, and things like that, and that would, by definition, that only leaves maybe one other spare space.

Chris: 23:12

Yeah, but if, like, you come with us or they bring a friend or whatever, I think it’d be good to do some of them right as a bit of a trip and just invite some people and go and have a bit of a session for a weekend and play a couple of rounds.

Jim: 23:26

I mean, the thing is you could have two team times, couldn’t you, and have a bit of a comp. Yeah, and a bit of a comp, I suppose.

Nish: 23:31

I mean, do we set up a society? You’re the one with time on your hands. Yeah, I might keep them quiet for five minutes.

Jim: 23:42

Yeah, I mean, I think what would that involve, sorry, setting up a?

Nish: 23:46

society. So I have looked into this in the past anyway. Why? I don’t even know why. I don’t know why I’ve looked into this, yeah, but I think it was because I wanted to join something and I was like, is there a place where there’s like an official, like an egu official? These are societies because it, because it happens at reddish vale loads. So it’s like we’ve got a society day. It just it just feels like a load of lads who just have a good laugh together and they just get together and they’ll do a little presentation. Do you remember when we did, uh, one of the very first niche invitationals and it was at mottram hall and we were sat where the full idea came from? We were like sat in the clubhouse on that corner where it overlooks four holes, yeah, baking hot day, and then there was a big group came in and sat near us, didn’t they?

Nish: 24:35

and they were doing prizes and whatever that was a society, so it’s all lads who know each other from playing golf, okay and it was just like right nearest the pin was this guy, you know, and they just had a great laugh. I had quite a few beers and then buggered off um go, as I said, didn’t.

Chris: 24:52

Didn’t one of our playing parties nearly have a fight with someone from a society last year at the Nish Invitational, dan Roberts?

Nish: 24:59

I think so, yeah, yeah, it was Dan Roberts.

Jim: 25:02

Yeah, dan Roberts of Heaton Moor he lives in Heaton Moor everyone just round the corner for.

Nish: 25:08

Disby.

Chris: 25:09

Tuck H rugby.

Jim: 25:10

I’m going to know his address if you want to hear. Yeah, it was very unfair though, wasn’t it?

Nish: 25:12

Did we talk H rugby? Yeah, he’s played rugby with him. I’m going to know his address if you want the address. Yeah, it was very unfair though, wasn’t it, I think? Because I think he hit a ball into the like they were coming this way, like towards here, and he was going the other way on the fairway. I think he hit into them, but I think it was a blind thing. He didn’t see where they were and they were like oh, you hit into us. I was like well, no, I’ve not deliberately hit into you, you’re like a fair way over.

Chris: 25:42

So, but he’s like he’s really aggressive with him when he then there was that next to us.

Nish: 25:45

Oh hi, dad. Yeah, should we go and sort him out? No, no, it’s all right, it’s fine. It’s fine, I think. I think, I think he knows I wasn’t happy with his behavior, so let’s just leave it at that, shall we? Yeah, yeah.

Chris: 25:55

Will you? Not let’s leave it at that, dad. No, no no.

Nish: 25:59

I think he knows I was displeased with his ungentlemanly conduct. We don’t need to bring this up again with him.

Jim: 26:04

No, no, no. Well, yeah, it’s out there now anyway, everyone knows.

Nish: 26:09

I mean, is it, I is, it is? Is that? I think that might be a good way of going about it? You set up a society, so what would that entail? So society is informal collection of people who just you know, like-minded whatever.

Jim: 26:21

You just organize an event what do you need to do to set up a society? Does it need to be registered somewhere so you can?

Nish: 26:26

not at all you just know, it’s just in figure out handshake and then go from there yeah, yeah, the biggest bone of contention always with societies, I’ve heard, is just what people’s handicaps are, because most people are playing as recreational golfers, so they haven’t got a handicap officially. Uh, so it’s what they play off for the comp that they’re doing. But actually, if we’re just doing it for the sake of playing it well, not sake, sorry, but for the pleasure of playing the golf course, does it matter whether somebody’s got a and does it help in terms of if you get?

Jim: 26:55

Because obviously, if you’ve got society, you’re guaranteeing a certain number of players.

Nish: 26:59

Yeah, some clubs absolutely love it. I think the real top mark courses.

Jim: 27:04

Well, they need the handicaps anyway, wouldn’t they? I think in the top 100,.

Chris: 27:06

I think you probably struggle a bit more with societies, yeah.

Nish: 27:09

I think there’s all. The royals are like nah, there’s no packages. You could definitely approach them and say look, we have a group of 20 players, can we block five tea times and all go off together and they’ll organise something for you. But you know, for instance, you can go to where is it now Penarth, which we now know how to pronounce, so penarth in south wales.

Jim: 27:36

Siloth do silo, sorry that was how I pronounced it uh, so, so penarth, do a society package.

Nish: 27:49

Uh, don’t quote me on the price, but let’s say it was like 60 quid ahead or whatever. It’s not it’s gonna be a bit more than that. But as part of that you get like a bacon roll on arrival and coffee, no club sandwich. You get no clubs and you have to negotiate that one. I think, like, can we just listen? We have a bit of a thing with a club sandwich, so, but you get like, you get your golf, you get, I think, at penarth actually, you get a lesson like a group lesson with the, with the pro, for a couple of hours. So obviously at that point you get a bucket of range balls included in that so we can have a warm-up.

Nish: 28:24

Well, you paid for it, haven’t you? But you know it’s part of the package. And then you play your golf, they do a full-on, they run it properly, so they’ll do a nearest the pin and they’ll have the official things out, um. And then, yeah, you have like a prize giving at the end and then you can have food afterwards and go. So I mean, there is potentially some mileage in doing that. If there’s who asked that question, by the way? Right, that was um andy, right? So if andy gives me 500 quid a year, I’ll I’ll get him involved in a couple. No, but I think there is some margin that, if people are genuinely interested in joining us, I’m playing some courses.

Nish: 28:59

Yeah, it’s not going to be on all of them that’s just not, not possible but there might be some select ones that we could do where it offers a good blend of good experience, top 100 course and value for money as well. I mean, I’m doing literally nothing at the moment of my days, so I can look into doing that stinks of a niche invitational at some point that it does food for thought.

Jim: 29:21

Absolutely, I’ll keep you busy tomorrow so, so it is open.

Nish: 29:25

So, but what I’m saying is it is open to guests that I like, so could he cross Andy’s name off that list? Oh, come on, andy’s the originator of the idea, so I mean he’s got to be like first teen off, quite possibly.

Jim: 29:48

Yeah, it’s his honour, that is actually In his honour Actually.

Nish: 29:51

Yeah, you know I’m joking. That’s a cracking idea actually, andy, and I think that’s uh, I think I’ll start working on that. Yeah, if there’s appetite for that, then and it could. You know, society doesn’t have to be 20 golfers, it can just be eight, you know you just. But you’re just block booking eight t slots. You’re paying eight times whatever green fees they’re going to charge you for doing it. You’re getting stuff, catering and and whatever. You know clubs love that. Of course some do, some the top ones don’t need it, uh, but there’s some who are like you know they’re, they’re in the top 100. But you know, obviously on merit there’s, there’s no doubt in that, but you know they may be not on the level of a royal port rush or a royal birthday or a royal whatever. So they probably still offer that. In fact I know they do anyway.

Jim: 30:40

Yeah no, well, let’s say, you know, people are invested in coming up with ideas about what you can do, and, and and that’s great people again talking about it, so and coming up with suggestions.

Nish: 30:51

So that’s, that’s actually if andy’s come up with that, should we call it like the aa society? So people think it’s like alcoholics and I get a bit of a better deal well, don’t know, because they wait.

Jim: 31:01

They want you to spend more money. Oh, yeah, the bar.

Nish: 31:03

Yeah, oh jesus no, no no, but they make more money off the soft drinks. There you go, job done right. Say jtc’s there and he’s not a, he’s a driver.

Chris: 31:14

He’ll drink for everyone else question from fizo.

Jim: 31:17

He’s had quite a few, actually already, hasn’t he, and a few more to go prolific he was absolutely prolific with the questions, to be fair so I, I really appreciate it.

Nish: 31:26

No, no, no, we do, we do and andy, andy was really good.

Jim: 31:28

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, if you could design your own golf course, what unique feature would it have?

Nish: 31:37

I’m gonna say statue of nick doherty with his trousers. It would have, do you know what? So it would have the, the, you know the, the iconic 16th hole gumbleys at sna. Okay, yeah, that bunker. We hated the one. We hated the one. We hated the bunker with the sleepers. Yeah, that’s Nick’s hair, it is it’s got like that fringe. I’ve lost all invitations to Wentworth here, haven’t I?

Jim: 32:07

Yeah, it’s starting to get a bit creepy. I mean, you’ve only had like two glasses of wine as well.

Nish: 32:16

What unique? So so was it.

Chris: 32:17

A unique suggests that it’s not anywhere else all I can think is going kind of like crazy golf, so just having like a completely like concave green or a convex green, you’ve just got a hole as soon as he hits it in the middle either he goes straight in and you get a hole in one, or on the next hole it’s like a. Has anyone got that? I don’t think so. Either it goes straight in and you get a hole in one, or on the next hole.

Jim: 32:35

It’s like a. Has anybody got that?

Chris: 32:35

In a? I don’t think so.

Jim: 32:37

I wouldn’t say Probably it’s like a 600-yard hole or something.

Chris: 32:41

There’s quite a few of those kicking around, isn’t there they?

Jim: 32:43

have a numerical part a lot, don’t they?

Nish: 32:45

600 yards to get to the kind of I like the idea of a convex green where you hit the green ball, of a convex green where you hit the green ball’s gonna go in the hole ball goes in, is it?

Chris: 32:54

I mean, it’s almost just fairer than normal golf.

Jim: 32:56

But then you make sure that they have like kind of shark infested waters around the outside and things like that.

Nish: 33:00

Oh, yeah, yeah, to go and get your ball yeah, it’s really risky.

Jim: 33:05

And the thing is, you might have got your eagles.

Nish: 33:06

Yeah, you have to get in the water. Yeah, you might have got your eagles sunshine, but you need to go get your golf ball now. Come on, let’s see you do that. Um unique feature. Do you know what actually? Um, I’ve started appreciating and I never did before is blind t-shots. I used to hate them because I what are you going? But?

Nish: 33:28

actually it probably helped my game, but um I quite, I think I quite like them now because that anticipation of where is that ball, where’s it going to be, where’s that ball ended up. But I think also as well, it’s so much more satisfying hitting a good shot.

Chris: 33:44

If you nail it, yeah, If you hit it where you hit it, you’re like I don’t fucking care where it is when I get down there. I’ve hit it where I wanted to hit it.

Nish: 33:51

I’m happy with that Unashamedly, we know. Silith was our favourite course of the three so far. The first hole Is it.

Jim: 34:01

Yeah, I thought more time was.

Chris: 34:04

I think I’ve gone back on that a little bit.

Jim: 34:07

We need a new episode.

Nish: 34:09

Chris’s Cumbrian brainwashing has brought him back into Cumbria again.

Jim: 34:13

I see how the Palours were down and twicking him with over the weekend. Fraser, who’s another golfer we were talking to him about Silith.

Chris: 34:20

Right, okay.

Nish: 34:20

He loves that course. Oh yeah, he’s brilliant. I’m going to give you the rundown of the conversation. So we said so, chris had sent me his ratings through and I said still, it’s still on top for you then. And he went you can’t take the boy out of cumbria. And I went um, where is it? I said. I said I don’t disagree, dot, dot, dot. But is there an appeal panel? And I don’t disagree because there’s only three courses in and that was.

Chris: 34:48

It was definitely the best that that we played but, yeah, I think I like I really enjoyed my day at Mawson.

Nish: 34:54

We could end up with some heated debates on the way home, couldn’t we?

Chris: 34:56

But actually, I think when I step back from it and just think about the course, I think Scylla’s still there.

Nish: 35:02

Did you say course or gorse, both Both Far from the gorse? It was. Yeah, it was pretty epic, but it had two holes. So on the first, you know you play a t-shirt, whatever, and then your approach is totally blind. You can’t see where the green is at all. Yeah, so that and that we both. I think you went over the back I think I was a bit short, but we both found the ball, but it was like heading towards the green. And then it was the third, yeah, where you tee off. We had no idea where we’re going. It’s like sort of roughly in that and yeah, it’s. I think there’s something. Well, actually, bear in mind both were playing that. You were playing totally off memory, weren’t? You were just like. I think that’s where we need to go for, yeah, I think I’ve got a renewed appreciation of a blind t-shirt, so I think I’d set up a blind t-shirt. I’d do a blind but a blind t-shirt within just a ditch after the top of the hill.

Chris: 35:59

So it’s gone now, mate, sorry it’d be nice to have like, instead of rough, you just have like a runoff that just takes you back to the tee. He’s gonna start again brutal brutal on a par three yeah, I like this. You’ve just got to stand and reload until you hit the green.

Nish: 36:15

Until you hit the green, that’s basically like TPC, isn’t it? Yeah, it’s all grass. You just get there, it’s in the water. Yeah, I think on my ideal hole I’d have a blind tee shot now, which I never thought I’d say before I started playing this challenge. Another question from Lewis, which I never thought I’d say before I started playing this challenge.

Jim: 36:33

Another question from Lewis what score do you think you would get with wooden clubs? Or could you beat a club pro if they were using wooden clubs and you were using regular clubs?

Nish: 36:47

that’s probably more for you. I think if you’re on your game, transport yourself back to when you were too handicapped. It wasn’t that long ago.

Jim: 36:57

He’s young compared to us yeah.

Nish: 37:00

I know we’re just old aren’t we now we’re over the hill. Yeah, would you take if the pro said to you I’ll take you on, I’ll play with Hickory Club now.

Chris: 37:11

I mean, he would maybe not now but when you’re at your best. Yeah, I mean I’d definitely, I’d take my chances then at that point. Yeah, yeah, I mean I’m not sure, since I’ve played golf properly, if I’ve ever actually hit a ball with a wooden club Like I’m, I think as a kid I played with my dad like with one of those like big one irons, like a hickory.

Nish: 37:36

I’ve definitely hit a ball with that, but I don’t think since I’ve been able to play golf I’ve actually hit a ball with a hickory club. Talking about merch previously, I’m definitely going to buy one of those hickory clubs when we go up to St Andrews. I mean that feels the date we played st andrews israel club.

Chris: 37:51

It’s you know, whatever I mean the problem with my swing is it’s it’s basically all out, it’s fast, it’s quick, so playing with it is not going to work for me very well.

Nish: 38:00

Yeah, so you can’t do hickory, mine’s pretty, pretty slow and I’m just terrible swing. All right, I could probably. I’d probably be better. I reckon I’d be better with the. Can you imagine like the pain in your hands if you miss hit one of those, like all the technology you’ve got now, yeah, and even then now if you miss hit it sometimes like tiny, yeah, like I come back.

Jim: 38:32

Yeah, apart from your trusty six.

Nish: 38:34

Iron that you’ve got five. Is it your five? It’s the six that I uh that I wrapped around the tree I played around with jim once and he was just like he’s having a terrible round. Actually, at the start he’s not got my fire line and my lucky five. I always hit that well, so we cut to that whole seven or something like that, and suddenly he he went oh, it’s there. I said how have you missed that? Oh, all right, and all of a sudden, genuinely, he does that bang, bang, bang.

Nish: 39:00

And I’m like oh, good job, he didn’t have that right at the start. Not that we’re playing competitively, but it was like I couldn’t believe it.

Jim: 39:10

Oh it’s there. My five iron has always been my favourite iron, from the few times that I played when I was a teenager there is some science behind that.

Chris: 39:19

So apparently the 5 iron is the the most forgiving club, the easiest club to hit in the bag. Oh right, fucking hell it’s not for me just use the easy club.

Nish: 39:31

Come on, jim, just just use the easy easy you probably can’t see it makes it’s got e written on it rather than five I was convinced it was a five on that, right around that tree, and I played with paula.

Jim: 39:46

I can’t remember. It was somewhere up near lytham years and years ago. I must have been on a gardening leave another time, I always seem to be on a gardening leave. I’ve only quit my job like three times in like 25 years interspersed with work yeah. I’m not on a gardening leave anymore.

Nish: 40:05

You should be proud of that, jim. Enough people have not wanted you to accompany long enough to just put you on a gardening leave. That’s a good reputation to have. See why you wanted to negotiate a two-year notice period, I know.

Jim: 40:20

They’re not that stupid, though they were stupid that company, but not that stupid. I’m not going to mention their name. Another question from Fizzo actually, how accurate do you think virtual golf is?

Nish: 40:31

Actually, funnily enough, I’m going to play on Friday, so I might be able to give you an update, but not on putting that was around the green. That’s awful, isn’t it? Yeah, you can’t do that on virtual, so I’ve got a genuine reference point for this.

Chris: 40:44

So when, right, we went on a school trip to london like an economics trip and we went and watched some shows and I don’t know, watch some economics at some point. Do you watch economics?

Nish: 40:53

Spend money on economics, isn’t it?

Jim: 40:58

Watch some economics Home economics.

Chris: 41:02

Watch some economics as part of that. We basically got to go shopping on Oxford Street. So we went to the Nike shop and some of the lads were like, giving us a phone call going, you need to come down to the Nike shop now. Teddy Sheringham’s there and you can play golf against him. I was like hello ears prick up. So we got down there is.

Jim: 41:27

Teddy Sheringham, your Nick Doherty.

Nish: 41:30

Man United fan, so you know man United fan golf.

Chris: 41:33

I mean this is perfect for me. So you get there and basically to have the chance to play against Teddy Sheringham for a Nike driver, basically so the winner wins a Nike driver. You’ve got to answer questions on golf and Manchester United. I’m thinking fucking brilliant, yeah, expert subjects expert subjects, so anyway.

Chris: 41:53

So I get a question right. Three of us get selected to go and play against teddy sharingham. There’s me, who’s obviously pretty good at golf at that point still, teddy sharingham is also a good golfer and then two guys who’ve clearly never played golf before in their life. So I’m thinking, oh, what so? Only only you two other guys and you, two other guys and me yeah, so there’s four of us all together. I can’t remember what the questions were.

Jim: 42:15

Who does?

Chris: 42:15

Terry Sheringham play for no I don’t.

Jim: 42:18

What’s his favourite sport apart from football?

Chris: 42:20

Yeah, we won the Champions League or something.

Chris: 42:21

I can’t remember Something along those lines. I can’t remember, but anyway. So he got to come play, get this. Yeah, so you basically have to get the nearest to the pin, um, and the nearest to the pin wins. So I hit what is a really good shot with a nice bit of draw on it, and I know it’s got a draw on it because I know the way I’ve hit it. But it hits the screen and so, for people that don’t know, a draw for a right hander goes from right to left, so it’s going. The arc of the ball is going right to left into the flag, so it hits the and instead of going to the left, it goes off to the right. I’m like, well, that’s not right. I know for a fact that that ball has got draw spin on it. It’s not slicing, it’s not going that way, so my ball goes out to the right. I’m like this is a fucking con.

Nish: 43:08

Sherry.

Chris: 43:08

Gibbs fixed it. So this other guy rocks up never hit a golf ball in his life just picks a club up and just swings it like a maniac. This ball goes about two foot high and it’s probably going like 50 yards, the hole’s like 180 yards or whatever, and his ball goes, fires on, rolls on and goes to like three foot away from the pin and mine goes like four yards to the right. I was. This is a fucking con.

Chris: 43:36

This is a swiss, this guy who has no interest in golf, he’s never played golf before, walks away with like a bronze spanking new nike driver and I walk away pretty grumpy and angry.

Nish: 43:45

So yeah, basically sharing and fix that? The answer is no, simulators are in no way in and actually, to be fair, that was probably only like about five or six years ago, because chris isn’t old enough, is he so?

Chris: 43:57

yeah, that was 20 odd years ago. I’m sure they’ve come on in in the last 20 years, you reckon.

Nish: 44:01

At that time they were just like the manufacturers, like, oh my god, we’ve just jibbed a really young kid out of a driver here. Yeah, we need to. We need to fix the technology yeah, come.

Chris: 44:12

That was the turning point.

Nish: 44:13

Can’t have this. Yeah, that’s pretty bad, isn’t it? You can’t do putting, you can’t do chipping on that, because it doesn’t pick it up, it doesn’t register properly, but I think now, when you hit your shot, it’s got a good. They’re pretty accurate. Find out after I’m eating 350 yard drives on Friday. Yeah, we know that’s a load of bollocks yeah, I need to pick a course. What course do you think I should play?

Jim: 44:39

you’ve got to be on the top 100 right no, I don’t think you should do you think so?

Nish: 44:44

maybe I should get a virtual score and see if I can beat the virtual score in real life.

Chris: 44:49

I mean, that would be a good test as to how accurate it is. Maybe you should do it on the next one St David’s or something St David’s, isn’t it, I think?

Nish: 44:56

or Ganton, maybe because that’s in the pairs.

Jim: 45:00

Make sure you wear the right shoes make sure you wear the right shoes right, let’s move on and see any further questions. What do you do to keep calm under pressure on a shot?

Nish: 45:16

Ice in my veins. I do not feel any pressure over a shot.

Chris: 45:20

Chris, so I’m lucky enough to have had some sports psychology work over the years. There’s a couple of things in there. There’s obviously breathing techniques. They’re always good for most things, aren’t they? Keeping calm. But yeah, focus points, picking like a tiny focus points. It might be like a spot on a leaf or a spot on a tree or something to just focus your mind on. Keep your mind on that little focus point that’s johnny wilkinson’s thing as well, isn’t it?

Nish: 45:45

you know, pick a tiny little spot.

Chris: 45:48

So if you miss that, focus your mind on that still yeah, but I can’t do that anymore. I can’t get into that. I can’t because my golf is so bad. I can’t get into that mindset anymore.

Nish: 45:58

You’re, you, you are definitely we’re digressing a little bit here, but when you’re? I can’t imagine for a second when you used to play golf, well, really well that you’d stand over the ball for that long time. Oh, absolutely not. I was like now. Yeah, yeah, I would suggest you probably take longer over the ball than I do no way.

Chris: 46:23

I mean there’s really, there’s a lot of fear in that. I think no, I think you do yeah I think, I think there is that.

Jim: 46:28

You can see, it’s palpable I guess, because obviously you know we do have a joke about you spending quite a lot of time.

Nish: 46:33

Yeah, I do, and I know why that is because you’ve got like 200 things running through my head and when I’m playing. Well, I don’t, I mean it’s, it’s, it’s better.

Jim: 46:42

Um, you can tell that oh, absolutely, you stepped up to the ball, which I’m hoping is going to improve your lessons and stuff like that, isn’t it?

Nish: 46:49

so yeah, sure, sure. Why not quick change stance?

Chris: 46:54

yeah, everything, oh yeah, but like as a 16 year old, you don’t even want to think about that stuff. You, just you don’t think you don’t think there’s anything possibly going wrong. Yeah, you just know. You think well, you’ve seen this shot, I’m going to go. You stand up and you do it and you hit it and there’s nothing else that enters your mind. But now, as a 40, 30, 30 year, old now, what if this happens? What if that happens? Well, I mean, it’s clearly gonna be bad, like I’m terrible at golf these days, like you have those.

Nish: 47:20

Yes experience doesn’t help you there. Does it because you just go. I can remember when I’ve hit one of these shots and it didn’t go well.

Jim: 47:26

Yeah, fair enough um, another question from fizzle well statement, I suppose, any famous facts about the area you were playing, eg Person X was born here. I think that’s kind of a question or something that’s covered in the pre and the post.

Jim: 47:44

It’s a bit difficult actually that because you do a lot of, because obviously, if it’s a Ryder Cup event course or it’s held the Ryder Cup previously, then you, with the slightly change in the format that you’re playing, yeah, um, but it would definitely look at the history of the club we play that if every famous has played there, as in, because snl ben hogan, your favorite golfer you were talking about, um, you know what what his comments were about? About the history and, yeah, and the prestigiousnessness.

Nish: 48:13

We try and cover that a little bit, don’t we? You can maybe go a bit too. However, you never know, when you do your research, it might come out that Nick Doherty’s played there.

Jim: 48:28

James McLaren from Donny Garth.

Nish: 48:31

What’s that guy doing? Kissing the tea box? That’s where Nick Doherty’s feet have been. Andy Alcott, I knew I shouldn’t have said it. I knew I shouldn’t have said about Nick the Nick Doherty dream.

Jim: 48:48

It’s going to mix with wine.

Nish: 48:50

The obsession is it’s going to happen. I’m telling you it’s going to happen.

Jim: 48:54

Another question from Andy Are you and Jim lovers? Well, I think the answer is no, because he prefers Neil’s hands so we’ll move on from that.

Nish: 49:01

I think we’ve moved on a bit too quickly, jim. We’re just friends, oh God.

Jim: 49:12

I think people are a bit jealous actually yeah.

Nish: 49:14

Well, when you, when you find a, when you find a good friendship, you, you stick at it, don’t you through? Thick and thin?

Jim: 49:24

absolutely yeah and if not, you just drink more wine that’s why it helps you, through it, it becomes less of an ordeal, ordeal, ordeal.

Nish: 49:39

I don’t know what I’ve done in my sleep now, well, was that it? That was it, end of story.

Jim: 49:45

Sorry, sorry, I’m used to rambling on a little bit more than that. Is there a point to this Question from Andyy? I think we’ve kind of answered this one already. It’s like how are you going to deal with any ballot type booking systems like saint andrews and I think, obviously with what’s?

Chris: 50:01

going on so answer that but I think we’ll nick doherty did have a little bit of chat about saint andrews the other day, and I just think like it’s only six hours from here you went to the ballot, you get 40 hours you 40 hours notice. I think we can just do that any time. We just pick a few weeks where we’ve got some spare time. We just enter each day.

Nish: 50:18

I’m obviously all right because my boss will clear it. But if you suddenly, if it was like a Wednesday, do you think you’d be able to just go?

Chris: 50:28

I’m having Wednesday off because I’m going to St Andrews wednesday off.

Nish: 50:30

yeah, yeah yeah, we’re fine, we can definitely do that easy street we can just slide in. It’s only st andrews that’s on a ballot right. Is there anything?

Jim: 50:37

yeah, yeah, it’s the only one that I’m aware of. We get a package of saint andrews, so obviously that’s that might mean you don’t have to go through that process, but again it depends when you want to do it, I suppose.

Nish: 50:47

As well, when, when saint andrew invites us up there, we’ll doesn’t really matter, does matter does it.

Jim: 50:52

That’s not what Andrew or St Andrew’s are the same.

Nish: 50:54

On the golf course no we can’t say Andrew, can we now, Because he’s disgraced so.

Chris: 51:00

I’m not sure he was a saint to be fair. His own fucking life. He definitely wasn’t a saint, oh no you’ll have like the.

Nish: 51:10

We’ll definitely gonna have like the feds on the door, aren’t we now?

Chris: 51:12

because they’ll be like like the royal family, like the little alarm will be ticking.

Nish: 51:18

There’s like somebody’s slanging off one of our members of the royal family.

Jim: 51:20

Oh, shit I’m training to crash.

Nish: 51:21

Yeah, as you know philip’s dead now, isn’t he? So he’s, he’s the one who’s on, the more the mafia links. So, wow, um, cut, cut, cut.

Jim: 51:35

What do you think the origins are? In certain words, such as four birdie bogey and so on, I think I know it with four actually.

Nish: 51:46

Yeah, that’s a good question. I don’t know. The thing with four was so there used to be a thing when the aristocracy played, or whatever, there was a four cabbie who would go ahead to spot the ball. So you’d shout four, as in, four cabbie, watch out. They’d watch out for where the ball’s going, because it’s not going down the middle or whatever. Yeah, so that’s four that I know of. That’s actually only one.

Chris: 52:12

but what’s that? Sorry, I said that’s only one, but okay, that’s true well then, took me a second, then um what was it?

Jim: 52:21

bogey, birdie bogey, not without looking.

Nish: 52:26

What’s the whole bird reference like albatross eagle. Where’s all that coming? I don’t know and then it’s got albatross eagle right, two fucking massive birds, and then you go birdie. Why do you get birdie for these? It kind of has to be sparrow or something it wouldn’t work if it got smaller, would it?

Chris: 52:40

So it kind of has to be some sort of incremental size bird, oh, birdie, you know birdie.

Jim: 53:00

Anyway, what’s? The origins that’s the question. Uh, do you know?

Nish: 53:02

do you know no idea bogey like why. Why? Why bogey?

Jim: 53:06

pa he spelt bogey wrong, by the way. So, uh, who’s that what?

Nish: 53:10

has he spelt it B-O? Is it B-O-G-G-Y bongy? That doesn’t matter. He spelt that alright yeah, no idea.

Chris: 53:22

I don’t know, don’t know the answer to that good question driver, why is it called a driver when you drive? He didn’t ask that question you know the sort of golfing parlance.

Nish: 53:32

I don’t really throw the balls up in the air like no idea what’s going on.

Chris: 53:38

It’s all just fucking nonsense. Yeah, it is. The whole thing. Is, yeah, golf wasting our time? Why the fuck is it called?

Jim: 53:43

golf, even that, like I don’t know, maybe after a car, wasn’t it?

Nish: 53:50

because nobody, nobody actually genuinely knows that. I don’t think. Why is it called golf?

Jim: 53:53

no, because rugby was rugby school. Yeah, there’s all that. Why is it called golf? No, because rugby was rugby school. Yeah, there’s all that stuff where it’s like it was a golf stands for gentlemen.

Nish: 53:59

Only ladies forbidden all that. So it’s like no, that’s nonsense. But why was it called golf?

Jim: 54:04

it’s not like you made the noise, golf do you not know, do you not do that?

Nish: 54:09

do you say golf golf?

Jim: 54:11

quietly, I say quietly, when I hit the ball, I say four shit, I didn’t realise.

Nish: 54:17

I didn’t realise. I was the only one that did that. It’s a natural instinct to think it’s just just in case. I feel like we should put a microphone on. Chris golf is that allowed?

Jim: 54:26

though golf, that’d be quite interesting. That’s it. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, that is a really good question. So I think I’m a bit disappointed, you don’t know.

Nish: 54:38

We don’t know. Yeah, it’s pretty poor, isn’t it? You should know that kind of stuff.

Chris: 54:41

Feels like it should be the basics actually.

Nish: 54:43

I mean, that could have been like a live Google, but I think that’d be cheating, wouldn’t it?

Jim: 54:46

Well, I think well, you’d actually say, without looking and do this live. What are the origins of this?

Chris: 54:53

I mean ultimately what we’ll do is. You didn’t cheat. We’ll just use AI to kind of, yeah, overdub that bit and make sure we get the answer right. Of course, absolutely.

Jim: 55:00

Absolutely Indeed. And I think, the final question, the final question, oh drum roll, drum roll. Is it not very good? Blame me actually, because I chose the questions you did choose the question order. Yeah, yeah, um, and it’s from from fizzle again. Um, which got what golf equipment is over and or underrated? Well, for me, it’s every single club I’ve ever used it’s overrated.

Chris: 55:25

Yes, I think chippers are underrated oh really, I mean, I think they’re overrated because somebody had the idea to fucking actually make it. They’re terrible things.

Nish: 55:35

Yeah, but I think it gets people in the mode of, just put it, which you would do with like a 7-iron.

Chris: 55:41

right, I get it, it’s basically cheating, it’s basically saying I can’t master actually chipping a ball. I’m just going to cheat.

Nish: 55:49

But then? So what are you saying? That’s overrated.

Chris: 55:53

I think it’s overrated. It should never have been made.

Nish: 55:55

He’s cheating Wow, that’s pretty strong, that it’s a strong. I’ve got a strong sentiment. Better take the chipper out of the bag. Yeah, that’s a nice chip that Nish. Yeah, just open the face of the 7-iron there mate yeah yeah, equipment that’s overrated. Well, I’ll tell you what is overrated Fucking Garmin watches. They’re overrated.

Chris: 56:14

So overrated that I just ditched mine somewhere around Southport and Ainsdale never to be found again. No, we haven’t talked about this in the podcast, have we?

Nish: 56:21

No, Chris lost the. I’ve had that for four years.

Chris: 56:28

So Nish got his new Garmin and he lent me his Garmin.

Nish: 56:30

He didn’t lend it to you he gave it to you.

Chris: 56:32

He gifted it to me.

Jim: 56:33

Did he declare that on your tax return?

Nish: 56:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s a tax write-off Shit.

Jim: 56:42

Well, you have to pay the tax, he lost it, so it’s a write-off there.

Chris: 56:46

I knew this podcast was going to land me in some trouble, but I didn’t realise it was going to be HMRC trouble, but I didn’t realize that you’re an accountant as well. Yeah, tax liability being shifted onto you? Yes, uh, you gifted me, didn’t even last year, 18 holes.

Nish: 56:58

I didn’t even get around one round. The thing is, though, right, okay, so I’ve got a question for you now. So you had it for. For 17 holes, yeah, um, already how reliant are you on it?

Chris: 57:10

I’m buying one in black friday so you have to don’t you. It’s so as soon as you know the numbers because, even, even like the, it was at sylith, wasn’t it, I said to you actually?

Nish: 57:20

I don’t really like the idea of that. Like you can’t play with the competitions, like I’m gonna.

Chris: 57:23

I’ve got my yardage chart, I’m gonna work with my yardage chart and after playing 16 and a half holes with it, I’m like, yeah, I need one of those.

Jim: 57:30

So another point have you learned how to use that yet?

Nish: 57:34

I mean, it tracks my sleep, all right, and it tracks everything else. It tracks my lack of steps. What was it? 5,658 so far.

Nish: 57:42

That many Today. I mean, I’ve not done anything today, so I don’t know how people can’t manage 10,000. Just done it myself, haven’t I? Yeah, I don’t know, but it was better at S&A. It still had me in the wrong hole, though at one point Most points, yeah Because I said to you I was like, oh, guess what’s telling me I’m on hole 18 or whatever. It was all wrong again. So this is definitely overrated.

Jim: 58:07

See if it works on Friday in your virtual job. This particular one.

Nish: 58:14

Yeah, for sure any virtual job, this particular one. Yeah, how many steps he did round Royal Augusta, royal Augusta actually where was he playing?

Jim: 58:17

Augusta Conning Klyker Augusta what’s underrated?

Nish: 58:22

are we talking a?

Chris: 58:22

groove cleaner that gets.

Nish: 58:25

No, that’s probably that’s probably quite a good thing isn’t it?

Chris: 58:27

that’s a really good thing, but it gets no press, does it? You don’t see, you don’t see the red carpet being rolled out for a groove.

Nish: 58:32

I need to work on a PR, don’t I? Yeah, maybe that Sharpen the grooves. You can get things to sharpen, can’t you as well? Don’t want to do that. That’s cheating, isn’t it? A ball cleaner on each hole. It got lost post-COVID, I think, because you couldn’t use stuff like that could, you couldn’t like touch stuff like that.

Nish: 58:59

But it’s like when we’re going into the flags and lifting, we’ll be like you know what to do, that, oh well, you’ve got these ultra premium flags now. Anyway, they’re really tapered at the bottom, so, but I think, like a ball cleaner on each hole, that’s a bit underrated, that’s a bit of touch of luxury, isn’t it? Is that golf equipment? It’s just golf stuff. I don’t think I know enough about equipment to say what’s under and overrated.

Jim: 59:20

Well, you said overrated, that’s a chipper, I think for me.

Nish: 59:26

Don’t bother carrying fairway woods anymore, just stick with the hybrid.

Chris: 59:31

I’d be totally the other way around.

Nish: 59:33

You don’t like the hybrids, so you’d say hybrids are overrated probably say, hybrids are overrated. Yeah I think, I think fairway woods are totally overrated.

Chris: 59:41

Oh, there’s me and nish falling out again this is.

Nish: 59:46

I feel like there’s some uh, crevasses have been opened. Well, I’m really glad we did these two sessions. Hey, yeah, everything was going so well for two and a half fucking years. And then, yeah, one of me’s gonna have to leave the street.

Jim: 1:00:04

We were here.

Nish: 1:00:05

We were here first, yeah I’m only sticking around for my family yeah, uh, yeah, I think I don’t know.

Chris: 1:00:15

I think we’ve answered that.

Jim: 1:00:16

I think we’ve answered that as well as as well as you can as you can, really, but, um, another thing is thanks to to everybody for participating in terms of, you know, getting involved and sending the questions.

Nish: 1:00:27

So thank you very much everybody for that yeah, I think, um, yeah, I’ll be really and actually like. I’m quite humbled by the genuine, proper, decent golf questions there’s no there’s. No, there were 26, 27 questions there. Yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s phenomenal. So, yeah, thank you to everyone for doing that. Um, I think I’d be quite keen to do that again in the future, you know, maybe a few years down the line, just to let the let the dust settle.

Jim: 1:00:56

People are interested and people will forget about the support my doity dreams.

Nish: 1:01:00

Yeah, great, honestly brilliant questions, stuff. I’d never have thought of asking those. Where does that? What does that say about the people sending the questions? But all right, well, thanks, gents. Alright, well, thanks, gents. And thanks Chris. I think you’ve, yeah, I think you’ve fronted up on some of the questions quite, quite well. Yeah, yeah, when are we going to fall out then? What is that that’s going to?

Chris: 1:01:20

happen. It’s already happened, isn’t it? Yeah, it’s already happened now, oh, that’s the worst it’s already unraveling, I think, isn’t it?

Jim: 1:01:25

I think you can get through it.

Nish: 1:01:26

I think there’s things I you’ve been listening to the top 100 in 10 golf podcast.